{"id":4504,"date":"2018-04-06T02:05:59","date_gmt":"2018-04-06T02:05:59","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/?p=4504"},"modified":"2021-10-08T12:07:32","modified_gmt":"2021-10-08T19:07:32","slug":"bureau-of-cannabis-control","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/bureau-of-cannabis-control\/","title":{"rendered":"We&#8217;ve Stumped the Bureau of Cannabis Control\u2014And Ourselves"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">As many of you know, our\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/california-cannabis-regulations-2018\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">FAQ column<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\"> helps answer some of the more perplexing aspects of new cannabis laws. But sometimes a reader gives us a juicy question we can\u2019t answer, or find the answer for. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">When this happens, we turn to the Bureau of Cannabis Control, which is more than happy to provide answers to confusing legal questions.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"container-fluid contents-list\">\n<div class=\"container\">\n<div class=\"row\">\n<div class=\"col-md-8 col-md-offset-2\">\n<div class=\"dk-content\">\n<h2>What you'll learn in this article:<\/h2>\n<p class=\"description\">[Click any of the section titles below to jump there]<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a class=' _mPS2id-h mPS2id-highlight _ps2id' href='#1' data-ps2id-offset=''>Can the Bureau of Cannabis Control Dictate MMJ Limits?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a class=' _mPS2id-h mPS2id-highlight _ps2id' href='#2' data-ps2id-offset=''>Can Prop. 64 Revoke This Medical Defense?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a class=' _mPS2id-h mPS2id-highlight _ps2id' href='#3' data-ps2id-offset=''>Back and Forth with the BCC<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a class=' _mPS2id-h mPS2id-highlight _ps2id' href='#4' data-ps2id-offset=''>The Bureau's Apparently Stumped\u2014And so Are We<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"container\">\n<div class=\"content\" id=\"content-container\">\n<div class=\"row\">\n<div class=\"col-md-8 col-md-offset-2\">\n<div class=\"dk-content\">\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"1\"><strong>Can the Bureau of Cannabis Control Dictate MMJ Limits?<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">About a month ago, we received a great question:\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">\u201cHow much cannabis concentrate can be sold to qualified medical patients?\u201d<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">First, you should know that the state attempted to establish default possession limitations with SB420 in 2003. But these attempts were shot down in 2010 by the People v. Kelly. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">According to <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/ballotpedia.org\/People_v._Kelly\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ballotpedia<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">, \u201cthe basis for the court&#8217;s ruling in People v. Kelly is that the 2003 legislation amounted to an amendment to Proposition 215\u00a0and that the California Constitution prohibits legislative tampering with ballot initiatives approved by voters.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">This has been a sticky wicket for those wanting to limit cannabis. Basically, the ruling said the amount of cannabis a medicinal patient can have is the amount the doctor says he\/she can have. If the doctor prescribes a daily bath in hash oil, that\u2019s a legally defensible position. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">This was good news for patients who no longer had to fear prosecution if they truly needed larger amounts of cannabis. The limits established by SB420 still remained in Health and Safety Code Sec. 11362.77, but there is now a valid defense if a patient has a <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nuggmd.com\/blog\/medical-marijuana-identification-card\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">rec for larger amounts<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"2\"><strong>Can Prop. 64 Revoke This Medical Defense?<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">Unfortunately, <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.oag.ca.gov\/system\/files\/initiatives\/pdfs\/15-0103%20(Marijuana)_1.pdf\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Prop 64<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\"> changed all this. The proposition establishes a pathway for the legislature to alter any part of the voter initiative with a two-thirds vote to \u201cfurther the purposes and intent\u201d of the act. So, naturally, people assume the sky\u2019s the limit for legislative overreach. It\u2019s not. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">No section of Prop 64 addresses the amount of cannabis a medical cannabis patient can possess. In fact, all of the patient possession limits in current law are actually installed by <a href=\"https:\/\/leginfo.legislature.ca.gov\/faces\/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB94\">SB94<\/a>, the new law designed to enact Prop 64. So, technically, the legislature once again attempts to establish limits for these needy people, just like in SB420, that hasn\u2019t been voted into law, defying Prop 215. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><b>Prop 215 has not been repealed. It\u2019s still a voter initiative passed by the people. It\u2019s still a valid law and was not only left intact by Prop 64, but Prop 64 repeatedly defers to Prop 215.<\/b><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">Still, unless you want to be the defendant in that inevitable landmark case revisiting the People v. Kelly, you better know the limit the legislature attempts to impose on patients.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">Initially, our reader\u2019s question seems reasonable and easy to answer. Under the recently amended SB94, <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/medical-and-recreational-cannabis-products\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">recreational users<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\"> can buy up to one ounce of flower or up to eight grams of concentrates. Medical patients can purchase up to eight ounces of flower and \u2014 oh, wait, the <\/span><b>default amount of concentrates a cannabis patient can buy isn\u2019t in the code<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">What now? <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">Time to message the BCC!\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"3\"><strong>Back and Forth with the BCC<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><b>On Feb. 7, 2018, we wrote: <\/b><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">How much cannabis concentrate can be sold to medical patients? \u00a0So far, the regulations only control flower \u2014 8 ounces. They don&#8217;t differentiate for concentrate. Does this mean that 8 ounces of concentrate could be sold as well?<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><b>On Feb. 21, we received this response:<\/b><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">Thank you for contacting the Bureau of Cannabis Control (Bureau). Please see the Health and Safety Code section 11362.77. It defines the daily amounts allowed.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">Best Regards,<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">Bureau Staff<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">That&#8217;s <\/span><b><i>not <\/i><\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">a clear answer, especially since we copied and pasted the applicable code sections that <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">refer<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\"> to Health and Safety Code section 11362.77 for easy reference. Apparently, their staff didn\u2019t read our entire email.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><b>So we immediately answered back: <\/b><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">I can understand if you didn&#8217;t read my question fully. You&#8217;re probably getting a million questions. I know it&#8217;s referred to in H&amp;SC 11362.77. This is why I mentioned the code at the end of my question and pointed out to you that H&amp;SC 11362.77 doesn&#8217;t define medical cannabis at all. The answer is NOT in this code. All this code says is: <\/span><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">11362.77. \u00a0(a) A qualified patient or primary caregiver may possess no more than eight ounces of dried cannabis per qualified patient. In addition, a qualified patient or primary caregiver may also maintain no more than six mature or 12 immature cannabis plants per qualified patient. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">This code doesn&#8217;t mention concentrate at all. So, my question still stands, how much concentrate can a patient purchase?<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><b>The next day, the Bureau responded yet again:<\/b><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">Hello,<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">Yes we do get a million questions a day. Thank you for understanding. The Health and Safety Code section does not define medical cannabis, but it states how much a patient may purchase as a daily limit. I have highlighted the section below that should answer your question regarding the daily limit of concentrate, not flower.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">Best Regards,<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/BCC-Highlight.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-4512 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/BCC-Highlight-1024x277.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"699\" height=\"189\" srcset=\"https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/BCC-Highlight-1024x277.png 1024w, https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/BCC-Highlight-400x108.png 400w, https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/BCC-Highlight-768x207.png 768w, https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/BCC-Highlight-1000x270.png 1000w, https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/BCC-Highlight-300x81.png 300w, https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/BCC-Highlight.png 1233w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 699px) 100vw, 699px\" \/><\/a><\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">Well, that&#8217;s all well and good,<\/span> <i><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">but it still doesn&#8217;t answer the question<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">. The code <\/span><b>highlighted above is the amount of concentrate allowed for\u00a0<\/b><b><i>recreational consumers<\/i><\/b><b>, not the default amount permitted for\u00a0<\/b><b><i>medical patients<\/i><\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><b>Naturally, we immediately responded:<\/b><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">The limit highlighted is for <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/how-to-buy-recreational-marijuana-california-legal\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">adult-use cannabis<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">, not medical. I am asking what the limit for medical possession is. And it is reasonable to assume that there will be a difference because there is a difference in the amount of flower allowed between adult-use and medical. What they have failed to differentiate is the difference between adult-use concentrate and medical concentrate allowed.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><b><i>Nearly one month<\/i><\/b><b> after sending this reply, we finally got an answer \u2014 well, not reall<\/b><b>y:<\/b><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">Hello, <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">Health and Safety Code Section 11362.77 states: <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><i><\/i><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">(a) A qualified patient or primary caregiver may possess no more than eight ounces of dried cannabis per qualified patient. In addition, a qualified patient or primary caregiver may also maintain no more than six mature or 12 immature cannabis plants per qualified patient.<\/span><\/i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">(b) If a qualified patient or primary caregiver has a physician\u2019s recommendation that this quantity does not meet the qualified patient\u2019s medical needs, the qualified patient or primary caregiver may possess an amount of cannabis consistent with the patient\u2019s needs.<\/span><\/i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">(c) Counties and cities may retain or enact medicinal cannabis guidelines allowing qualified patients or primary caregivers to exceed the state limits set forth in subdivision a.<\/span><\/i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/i><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><i><span style=\"color: #000000; text-decoration: underline;\">(d) <\/span><\/i><i><span style=\"color: #000000; text-decoration: underline;\">Only the dried mature processed flowers of female cannabis plant or the plant conversion<\/span><\/i><i><span style=\"color: #000000; text-decoration: underline;\"> shall be considered when determining allowable quantities of cannabis under this section.<\/span><\/i><\/span><\/strong><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">(e) A qualified patient or a person holding a valid identification card, or the designated primary caregiver of that qualified patient or person, may possess amounts of cannabis consistent with this article.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">As indicated in the statute, the limit applies to the dried mature processed flowers of the female cannabis plant or the plant conversion. Therefore, the limit would apply to dried flower and the plant conversion as stated in the statute. We have since come to realize that licensed retailers are not able to readily identify what amount of concentrates the plant conversion may amount to. The Bureau is currently working on further clarifying this regulation.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">Best Regards,<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">Bureau Staff<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">In other words, the Bureau of Cannabis Control doesn&#8217;t know yet. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"4\"><strong>The Bureau&#8217;s Apparently Stumped\u2014And so Are We<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">Well, that&#8217;s okay. The law isn&#8217;t clear to us either; that&#8217;s why we asked. The problem is the <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/withdrawal-medical-cannabis-regulations\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Bureau of Cannabis Control<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\"> cites a section of code from SB420 (a law that was rendered partially unenforceable by the People v. Kelly). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">While it remains in several amendments, the latest being SB94, it&#8217;s old and does nothing to establish an acceptable limit. The section\u00a0only dictates what parts of the plant can be considered in determining limits. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">After over a month-and-a-half of questioning, neither we nor the Bureau of Cannabis Control could find the section of current law dictating the default amount of cannabis concentrate a patient can purchase.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">Could it be the amount of cannabis concentrate that a patient can purchase hasn&#8217;t been established? Understanding that there&#8217;s a subtle difference between possession limits and purchase limits, CAN purchase limits be established since Prop 64 didn&#8217;t address\u00a0<em>medical<\/em> possession limits \u2014 especially since some patients have to travel more than 200 miles to find safe access to their medicine?\u00a0<\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">Can SB94\u00a0override Prop. 215 any more than SB420 could? <\/span> <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400; color: #000000;\">We&#8217;ll let you know when we find out.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; As many of you know, our\u00a0FAQ column helps answer some of the more perplexing aspects of new cannabis laws. But sometimes a reader gives us a juicy question we can\u2019t answer, or find the answer for. &nbsp; When this happens, we turn to the Bureau of Cannabis Control, which is more than happy to [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":12,"featured_media":4513,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1092,8,1084,1085,965],"tags":[1017,1008,9,57,10],"class_list":["post-4504","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-advocacy","category-cannabis","category-marijuana-laws","category-medical-marijuana","category-new-patient-guides","tag-bcc","tag-bureau-of-cannabis-control","tag-cannabis","tag-concentrates","tag-medical-marijuana"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4504"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/12"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4504"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4504\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/4513"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4504"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4504"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/getnugg.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4504"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}